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Cooling System Overhaul

Question: "That little red needle in the middle of my intrument cluster goes right up to the top line and a big, red light flashes like crazy.  Should I check my coolant level or somethin'?"
Answer: "Yes, and while you're at it, rip everything apart and start from scratch."

Level of Difficulty:   Medium
Time:   Long, but easy.

Pictures:
Cooling diagram
ETKA diagram of cooling system
ETKA diagram of cooling system - 2

       You really need to ask yourself a few questions before you start ripping stuff out:

1.) How in-depth do I want to go here?

        If your cooling system has never been overhauled (i.e. You don't know when the last time your thermostat
was replaced, coolant was flushed out with new anti-freeze, or hoses/hose clamps were replaced) or you DO
remember, and that was back when your kids were in middle school and now they're heading off to college, it
may be time to break out the wrench.

2.) If I replace all these parts, how much am I looking to spend? Can I afford it?

        After all was said and done, my costs were relatively low, for the width and breadth of this large project. I spent around 400 dollars, but DAMN, was it worth it. My car used to get hot as hell in the summer traffiiic, but now, I don't think I've seen it get past half-way all summer. I highly encourage this fix.


Complete list of parts here.

        If you took this to a mechanic unfamiliar with Audis, the price could go as high as 700+, and that's without
you learning a thing, and without you being able to nitpick and make sure everything is done for the long haul.

        It's your choice.
 

3.) How much time do I want to spend on this really?

        The difficulty of the project isn't daunting, but you WILL get messy and you WILL get frustrated. This is a
two-person project, but I'm sure one person could tackle it alone. Something to think about: Have you removed
your A/C system? The A/C cooler/radiator thing hangs right in front of the radiator you'll be working on, so
if you are going to do a complete refurbish including replacing that nasty old radiator, and your A/C doesn't work,
you may want to take a peek at the A/C removal procedure before going any further. It will increase your work
if it's still hanging around in that vital area.

        Ok, so now let's get into it.
 
        The parts you need will entirely depend on what you're going after.  See which profile you fit below:

Profiles:

A.) Just doing a seasonal change - If all you want is to replace your anti-freeze with a winter blend, and possibly
replace your thermostat with a winter model, you'll need these parts, listed below:

Anti-freeze (Low-tox formula recommended)
Thermostat (low-temp or high-temp, used for different seasons. Low-temp opens earlier, and cools more, great
for the summer.  High-temp opens later, and heats better. Numbers in the "Parts" section.)

B.) Feeling Adventurous - Now you're talking.  You want to get rid of those old hoses, clamps, fluid, thermostat,
but you're going to hang on to your radiator.  It may be new, or not old enough to blow 200+ dollars on a new one.
Perfectly ok, but you'll need parts in addition to the ones listed above:

6 or 7 new stainless steel hose clamps (sized and count based on what you'll be replacing, look under the hood first.)
3 new radiator hoses (listed in the "Parts" section)
new bolts for the thermostat housing (I will have to find out the size and get back to you on this.)

C.) Rough-and-Ready rebuilder - Not only are you doing the things listed above, but you think you'll tackle
the radiator as well.  You big, bad, Audi lister you! You'll need an extra few pieces:

Parts Needed:

Read Parts Descriptions below list to determine what you need.

Part Number Cost (USD) Comments
Radiator 855 121 251F 200-250 Don't go cheap. 475mm core length
Upper Rad hose 034 121 101 20 Big thick hose on top.
'84 Upper Rad hose 035 121 101J 20 Alternate hose for Valeo radiators.
Cooling hose 034 121 063C 20 Engine Block Front To Pipe. I do not know, but it's listed.
Lower Rad hose 811 121 055 20 Long hose winds around steering components.
Lower Rad hose 811 121 055 20 Long hose winds around steering components.
Expansion hose 443 121 107A 10 Goes to Expansion tank. Buy by the meter.
Thermostat - 20 Type determines heat level: "Summer" or "Winter"
  035 121 113 80C Thermostat - Summer
  035 121 113B   87C Thermostat - Winter
5/8" heater hose - 20 Used to extend length of hoses (Valeo rad. only)
5/8" hose connector - 2 Used to connect hose and extension hose (Valeo rad. only)
Expansion Tank 857 121 403 40 Optional, but they do get old and break easily.
Thermostat housing bolts - 5 Dealer. Don't want these tired old things to break, do you?
SS hose clamps (10) - 20 Buy an assortment of good Stainless Steel. 
Radiator Mounts - 20   Order for the new radiator.
Radiator Mount - Lower 803 121 273 5 30mm O.D.-42mm Length-With 8mm Studs.
Radiator Mount - Bottom 431 121 273 5 40mm O.D.-35mm Length-With 8mm Studs.
Radiator Mount - Support 443 121 273E 5 30mm O.D.-25mm Length-With 6mm Studs.
Rad. thermo. switch & gasket   20 Dealer. Replace just because they leak.
radiator cap 443 121 321 10 Like a radiator condom.
       
Total   400-450 Not bad, considering it'll last another 10-15 years.

Extra tools:

My Experience

      For my Cooling System Overhaul, I chose to go with as complete a tear-down as I could in my driveway. My radiator had been leaking about 2 liters a month in heavy driving, for about the last 6 months, and the night before, I'd seen about half a liter flow out of the driveway in just about 30 minutes. I knew my system was about to go bust, so I gathered my parts, my "helper" friend, and my courage.

      I gathered the parts listed above, and began ripping things out of Suzanne. Work went pretty well, with just about every little rusty thing holding together while I pulled and picked and plucked. Here's a breakdown of the process:

      This process was done in about -6C in my driveway, with intermittent trips back to house for warmth. As such, I couldn't do as complete a job as possible. The thermo., cleaning up housing and complete flush was done 6 months before at Huw Powell's house and took quite a while by itself. My original rad. got broken while doing this process because the aftermarket replacement radiators have all plastic pieces and some little evaporation nipple snapped off. I had to temporarily put together something a tad nasty, but it lasted and that's all that mattered.

      My installation was severely bitchy because the aftermarket radiator I bought (VALEO) from my local Foreign Auto Parts was obviously not made for this car, because the lower hose connection was on the opposite side of the radiator, and the top hose connection was about 6 cm too far over towards the drivers' side. How I "fixed" this problem was mildly simple:

1.) Huw gave me a longer, corrogated hose from an earlier model ('84 maybe?) to fit the top hose. eventually just bought a long, generic hose from a supply chain (AutoZone)
2.) Spliced in a hose connector (5/8") with about a 30 cm of new heater hose to extend the length of the lower hose. Worked flawlessly, but be careful of hose crimping.

Update: (May 2001)
Selling the aftermarket radiator, and got an all-metal radiator from Blaufernugen, selling under the name "Nissen". Paid 210, and now Suzanne is happy with her new piece.

Good Practices:

Hope this helps,

Brendan

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